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Roger T. Pipe Let's start with the big announcement from what a week ago?
Mike John I guess.
Roger T. Pipe Last week we found out the answer to the question that had been on everyone's mind since Las Vegas, where has Mike John gone?
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Mike John I was hiding under a pier in Venice with a beer.
Roger T. Pipe Now it can be told. Mike John has signed with…
Mike John Jules Jordan Productions.
Roger T. Pipe So it is the coming together of two of the biggest names in the industry.
Mike John It seemed like a smart thing to do.
Roger T. Pipe There are certainly worse places you could go.
Mike John Definitely.
Roger T. Pipe How did this come about?
Mike John Jules and I have been friends since my Anabolic days. We have talked back and forth over the years about a bunch of stuff. When I left Red Light I gave him a ring. He let me know what he was thinking and we went back and forth about it. I considered leaving the business quite a bit. I was leaning in that direction and I just added it up. It seemed to make sense. Jules was starting a company, I know his background, I know he has worked his way up from the stores all the way to top and it seemed like a train that I didn't want to miss.
Roger T. Pipe Did you get a lot of calls from other companies?
Mike John Yeah but I wasn't trying to be an ass, but I ignored them. I was done in my head. I think that this business has very limited opportunities as far as being a shooter when you have done it for the length of time that I have. There are no legitimate ownership deals outside of Evil Angel and so in the position I was in, there was no place to go. I was at a real turning point. I've got other options and I was really considering them. At the same time, walking was hard. I've made a few contributions to this industry and I don't have all that much to show for it. Jules is an honest, hard-working guy who has earned everything that he has. I have a lot of respect for that. I like his energy and the direction he taken ever since I've known him. The guy has been a non-stop rocket to the top and that isn't an accident. I figured that the combination of our names and our different styles would create a one-stop shop. It seemed like a no-brainer to me. When it comes to having a little bit of pull with the distributors it doesn't hurt to have both of our names there.
Roger T. Pipe Is there an ownership deal with Jules?
Mike John Yeah.
Roger T. Pipe So this is the deal you wanted.
Mike John Yes. It's basically like an Evil Angel deal.
Roger T. Pipe Would you have considered Evil Angel had they called?
Mike John Of course. Who wouldn't? You would be crazy not to. I spoke to him (John) briefly when I left Anabolic and he's not into my stuff. He picks what he likes. He watches every movie and if he can't jerk off to it, that's the end of the story. I don't think my stuff has ever appealed to him. Knowing that, it was pretty much the end of the road. That is how I got to the place in my head where I was ready to quit. I wasn't going to go out and shoot for director's fees. I don't want to sound bitter, but I was tired of putting everything into movies and watching everyone else collect, especially people who don't care about the product anyway.
Roger T. Pipe They don't care if they are selling your movies of someone else's?
Mike John They don't care about porno. All they care about is money. It's not like I haven't been exposed to all sorts of behaviors, but I have learned a lot more about greed than I had ever hoped to. It is not a pretty thing. People tend to do some pretty embarrassing things for money and it isn't pretty.
Roger T. Pipe You left Red Light shortly after Erik Everhard did.
Mike John Everhard got his Evil Angel deal at the same time that there were some serious internal problems at Red Light. That is why a lot of people have left.
Roger T. Pipe Since you left, Sean Michaels and Manuel Ferrara have also left.
Mike John There was a big house cleaning there. Myself, Everhard, Vince, for a brief time Jake Malone, Manuel Ferrara, Sean Michaels and Tim. That's a handful.
Roger T. Pipe They have a lot of big shoes to fill.
Mike John Yeah. We'll see how that works out.
Roger T. Pipe When does your first movie come up for the new company?
Mike John In April.
Roger T. Pipe And you're working on it now?
Mike John Yes I am. It's an interracial title called Racial Tension.
Roger T. Pipe We were talking a little about it. You're not doing a lot of dialog, but are adding some simple scenarios.
Mike John No, I'm doing the big features now, with lights and make up.
Roger T. Pipe Are you shooting Pirates 2?
Mike John Yes exactly. I have gone totally softcore. No, I've just been trying to do something similar to what I did with Teenage Spermaholics where I tie the scenes together with a loose, fun story. I like to bring a little humor to it. It's just a bunch of dysfunctional guys that solve their problems by objectifying females and passing them around. All in good fun of course. We are bringing back some of the same characters and some of it loosely based on reality. With Teenage Spermaholics 3 we had Tim Von Swine as a guy with gambling debts and that's true. He doesn't have Jasmine Byrne pay off the thugs by blowing them though.
Roger T. Pipe If he does, I want Tim to owe me a lot of money.
Mike John Yeah, exactly.
Roger T. Pipe What other lines will you be doing?
Mike John I am going to keep a lot of the old ones going. I started two new ones right before I left Red Light, which was kind of unfortunate.
Roger T. Pipe Do you have to change the names?
Mike John No. I own that. It's all coming with me. I have been thinking about doing an interracial title for a long time, but didn't.
Roger T. Pipe Why not?
Mike John Mostly because I felt that I couldn't touch what I did in the past with Lex. I don't think I can now, but I came up with a new angle that will be fun for me to do.
Roger T. Pipe You were saying that Racial Tension is not just a black on white movie.
Mike John No, it's all kinds of interracial. It's going to be about actual racial tension and how silly it can be. I'm just going to try to go in a different direction from typical interracial stuff and see if I can do it.
Roger T. Pipe I assume you are going to continue to shoot the POV lines.
Mike John Yeah.
Roger T. Pipe Every company has at least one POV line now. When we did our first interview 8 years ago, you had just started that at Diabolic. We talked about what a hard sell that was and how tough you had to work Gregg to get him to agree.
Mike John I think he just gave that to me because it didn't cost that much and he knew it would keep me happy.
Roger T. Pipe What do you think now that everyone is shooting it?
Mike John I can't blame them. Why wouldn't you? It is definitely the most fun to shoot. I can't believe that it hasn't come down to basically only that kind of porn.
Roger T. Pipe There are probably more POV lines than anything else out there.
Mike John Mostly because they are cheaper to shoot.
Roger T. Pipe You said all of the titles are coming with you. Do you plan to release them slowly or all at once?
Mike John I haven't talked with Jules about that yet. I guess that would depend on what is involved in getting them ready. I don't know that we need to do a re-release. The stuff is out there. I am still going to continue with the lines so we'll have to talk about that.
Roger T. Pipe How many titles do you have?
Mike John Twenty Seven. In a little over two years. I did one a month.
Roger T. Pipe I'll have to review them all over again.
Mike John If I let you do behind the scenes, will you bump them up a grade? I hear that anything you are in is at least an 8 out of 10.
Roger T. Pipe If you send me a girl I'll bump them all up two grades.
Mike John What if there is a girl for you when you do the BTS interview?
Roger T. Pipe Then it's two and a half to three grades higher.
Mike John Now I know what I have to do.
Roger T. Pipe It's on the rate card. Just be warned, if I am in a movie, then the male performer looks grade drops significantly.
Mike John That's OK. I've never worried too much about that. I always tell Everhard that he is lucky he is such a good performer. He is in way too good of shape to be in my movies.
Roger T. Pipe He is with Evil, but is he still able to perform for other directors?
Mike John Yeah.
Roger T. Pipe So we can assume that we will see him in more of your movies?
Mike John Oh yeah. Everhard and I are inseparable in the porno world. I shot some of his first scenes. Since then we have worked together in just about every movie. In fact I think "Teenage Spermaholics 2" was the first movie I shot that Everhard wasn't in and that was only because he was out of town.
Roger T. Pipe That would be what, about eighty movies?
Mike John Something like that. Of course I was shooting before he came around, so those don't count.
Roger T. Pipe I think that might be the longest running love affair in all of porn.
Mike John From the moment he started doing movies until now, only one of my movies has been without Everhard. The guy is great. He is like a brother to me.
Roger T. Pipe You obviously knew that Eric was leaving Red Light for Evil.
Mike John Yes. I was so happy for the guy. He deserves it. He works so hard. Nobody is more obsessed than Eric Everhard when it comes to what he does. He is nuts. That's all I can say.
Roger T. Pipe You and Jules have very different styles. How would you compare or contrast your work?
Mike John I would say that he is much more into costume and location. As far as the presentation of the girls, he is more fantasy oriented and I am more reality oriented. I want the girl to look the way you might see her on the street. You know, jeans, t-shirts, little shorts and tank tops. Jules is well known for fishnets. I don't think he uses them any more because everyone has started using them. Everhard does that to. It's just not my style. That's the main difference as I see it. Once it gets down to the meat of the matter a DP is a DP right? That is why I have always shot my POV movies in a hotel. I didn't want to complicate it. I wanted to simplify it as much as possible. I tried to think what would all of these guys out there want to do if they had the chance. Me? I want to take Monica Sweetheart or whoever to a hotel, be alone and that's it. Who needs the fancy bells and whistles and shooting her in front of a waterfall? I just kept that in mind and tried to simplify it as much as possible. It's really all about the girl, especially in a POV. I felt it would be a distraction to add layers to it.
Roger T. Pipe We talked before about POV pioneers like Rodney Moore and Seymore Butts, but the new wave of POV movies really started with you.
Mike John It seemed to take off after that first Perverted Point of View that I did. I have always said that Rodney was my influence. That is where my will to shoot POV comes from. I loved his stuff. I don't see much any more, but I think that Rodney is probably the most underrated guy of all time. As far as influence and overall what I consider to be pornographic, he nails it. He doesn't have the prettiest girls every time, but it never bothered me. There was something else going on there.
Roger T. Pipe A lot of people don't realize how good he is because of the girls he uses.
Mike John And I don't think he ever did a POV line. He just shoots POV.
Roger T. Pipe That is not unlike the way Seymore and John Stagliano weaved it in with their gonzo shooting. Since you were at the forefront of the POV wave, how many AVN Awards have you won for your POV work?
Mike John I got a kick out of that. I personally feel like that category….(Long silence)
Roger T. Pipe Is yours.
Mike John (He laughs) Yeah. OK. I won the first one. This year I think Manuel got it.
Roger T. Pipe Two of your POV Pervert titles were nominated on my site as best All Sex movies.
Mike John That was cool.
Roger T. Pipe Sorry I don't have 400 categories yet.
Mike John Keep going Rog, you'll get there. Pretty soon you will be giving out the Best Asian MILF in Socks award.
Roger T. Pipe I have a hard enough time keeping up with all of the AVN Awards.
Mike John Since you mentioned them. Has anyone there ever heard of Erik Everhard?
Roger T. Pipe He's been nominated.
Mike John Once.If they based that award on how many times someone has saved the day and being absolutely one-thousand percent bullet proof, then Everhard would win it every year until he dies. He is super human.
Roger T. Pipe The last two days of interviews have been love affairs with Erik Everhard. You and Lex have nothing but good things to say about the guy.
Mike John Lex and I go way back.
Roger T. Pipe There was some speculation that you might join him at Mercenary, but it sounds like you are very happy where you are.
Mike John Yeah I am. It was a big decision for me. I'm not getting any younger and I don't look at life as a rehearsal. Every day is a one shot deal. I am in this life for the adventure and to have fun. I've done that for ten years. There are plenty of things that I like to do, so I was ready to go. Then I was thinking about the other side. Like you were saying with your site. You don't have to do the eight to six thing. You and I get paid pretty well for basically being jerk offs.
Roger T. Pipe It's not a bad way to making living, though you get paid a lot more for having a lot more fun than I do.
Mike John The exciting thing to me is that I see the business going into the right hands. It's going into the hands of pornographers like Lex, like Jules, like Vince. That is the main reason why I am willing to continue. If it was going to another non-pornographer business-guy then I'm done. Maybe I could make my own little home movies for my personal enjoyment like I used to, but I wouldn't be able to handle that again.
Roger T. Pipe Since you brought him up, what to do you think will come of Vince's new venture?
Mike John I think that Vince is very capable, determined and talented guy. When he puts his mind to something it gets done and it works. I have no question that Vince will be successful. Nothing else exists in his mind. Vince will succeed and that's that. If not by anything but sheer determination because he has tons of that. He's a great guy who has done a lot for me. He is a straight shooter and he has been at the receiving end of the businessman's stick as well. All any of us want is a fair shake. The owners are the owners and they do their part, but there should be some kind of balance or at least honesty.
Roger T. Pipe Obviously you feel that you are going to get that with Jules.
Mike John Of course. He is one of us. He understands what is going on. Look, Jules and I are friends, but he did not give me this deal based on friendship. It is based on business and making the right decisions for his company. He does not have the looter burn the building down mentality that some of these people have. He is committing himself to this. I believe that he has looked at this company and he knows what works. As far as companies go, Evil Angel is the bright and shinning example.
Roger T. Pipe When Evil Angel formed almost twenty years ago it was John Stagliano, John Leslie, Joey Silvera and Rocco. Do you think that what Jules is forming now with the addition of you could be down the road what Evil Angel is?
Mike John I do. Jules is one of the most knowledgeable people in this business and I know that he will never compromise in his search for directors. He is not in any hurry to put out a lot of stuff. If nobody comes along who catches his eye then nobody comes along who catches his eye. The company may never grow because I know he is never going to be desperate for product and just fill a slot.
Roger T. Pipe That was the Evil Angel business model.
Mike John Exactly.
Roger T. Pipe So as far as you know, it's just the two of you for a while?
Mike John Yes.
Roger T. Pipe So Everhard isn't coming over?
Mike John Not that I know of. I can't speak for Jules, but I know he likes Everhard's work and if there were a situation where Eric was available I am sure he would make room for him. But that is all just rumor.
Roger T. Pipe Eric has a good thing with Evil.
Mike John It's what he has wanted for a long time and it's a good deal. Jules is in a position to start his own company because of Evil Angel. He will be the first person to tell you that. You make money at Evil and you succeed. There is nowhere else to go. If Jules wanted to grow he had to form his own company. He was at the top of the top company so now what? You either keep doing that forever or start something on your own. It's a logical progression for someone like him. He is 100% committed to this industry. He has a tattoo on his arm that says "Hardcore."
Roger T. Pipe Obviously the split from Red Light hasn't been entirely amicable.
Mike John One of the most ridiculous things that I have ever heard and obviously there is going to some level of bitterness and that's fine, but some of the people at Red Light put out a statement that said that after bringing myself and Erik Everhard to the attention of the industry look what we did in return. Let me just state something. We were given ownership deals at Red Light not because they wanted to bring us to the attention of the industry. Red Light was already unquestionably an up and coming company, but we were not given ownership deals there because we were unknowns. To say that Everhard or me or anyone was brought to the attention of the industry by that company is absolutely ridiculous. It was a mutually beneficial relationship in a lot of ways.
Roger T. Pipe There were about three years too late to bring you guys to the attention of anyone.
Mike John I think that Anabolic did that.
Roger T. Pipe And vice versa to some extent.
Mike John Exactly. Anabolic provided us big budgets to do what we wanted to do. Therefore we were able to be on a widely distributed label with a good budget. I spent it all, but it gave me the ability to do what I wanted to do. I wouldn't have been able to do that another company with a thirteen thousand dollar budget.
Roger T. Pipe Would you ever want to be in an ownership position to provide that for other directors?
Mike John No way. These guy work all day long. They are in the office all the time. Call Jules. He's there now. It's huge dealing with all that. I want to surf. I'm a professional bum. I am here to have a good time. Everyone has their own definition of what makes them happy. Jules is so motivated, it makes perfect sense for him. If I attempted this it would be a disaster. You should come to my house and see how disorganized my shit is.
Roger T. Pipe So you were not considering doing it on your own?
Mike John No. I can't do the fourteen hour day thing. I go nuts if I get five phone calls in a day. Don't get me wrong. Imagine if I had known what I was doing. You have to assess yourself realistically. You can kick yourself and think "I could have owned a company" but then you look at yourself and you think about what you really want to do. For me shooting one or two movies a month is perfect. It gives me a ton of free time and keeps it interesting. You don't get burned out. If I had to put in the hours that Jules does and still shoot on top of it, I couldn't do it.
Roger T. Pipe What web sites do you have right now?
Mike John www.nocumdodging.com www.povpervert.com www.semensippers.com and there is a South American one which is limited because I only shot two South of the Border movies.
Roger T. Pipe Someone asked me the other day about the Panochitas and other similar lines that seem to have vanished.
Mike John It's a super hassle and a very dangerous environment to get yourself into. I used to just get on a plane, fly to a city and just start. I just don't have it in me any more. There is no thrill in opening up a new country. It's a pain in the ass, costs more money and you expose yourself to some pretty gnarly situations that I just don't want to deal with. There are a lot of places I would like to travel for my own personal satisfaction, but traveling to a third world country with thirty thousand in cash and a bunch of camera equipment is a different story. You go out looking for prostitutes to shoot and tell them you want twenty of them and you have to watch the door all night wondering who is coming after you. It's illegal in a lot of countries so you can get into a lot of trouble. To top it all off, the stuff didn't sell all that well. I joke about the South of the Border movies I shot for Red Light by saying that you need a can of Dust Off next to them to make them look like they move. They just sit there. I could give them away as coasters.
Roger T. Pipe Some of those girls were a little different from what we are used to in porn.
Mike John (He laughs) To say the least.
Roger T. Pipe There was something fun about seeing some of those girls though.
Mike John At the time I started shooting Panochitas, there wasn't much Latin stuff happening. No one was going out of the country to shoot real Latin girls. They were dressing girls up to look the part.
Roger T. Pipe You were talking earlier about how the term "Anabolic style" gets thrown around a lot. Did you want to talk about that?
Mike John We can talk a little about that, sure.
Roger T. Pipe We were talking about how the movies that you, Lex and Erik shot at Anabolic have been called "Anabolic style" and that maybe that isn't completely accurate.
Mike John When I came to Anabolic they were shooting with two cameras and all of the movement was mechanical. They were zooming in and out. When Gregg gave me my shot I went to Costa Rica with one camera and shot it my way. I was very frustrated by porno at the time. Half the time when the guy would pop the camera was on the shooting end with a profile of the girl. People can disagree, but for me that was all wrong. I just started shooting things the way that I wanted to see things. That ended up being the way everything was shot there other than Nasty Nymphos. It just got a little irritating to hear over and over that it was the Anabolic style. Let me put it another way. One of the best things about working for Anabolic and Red Light was that there was zero creative input from the bosses. They didn't touch that part at all. It is great to work without someone hanging over your shoulder, but when it's all said and done for the credit to go entirely to someone else can be bothersome.
Roger T. Pipe On the other hand you don't strike me as someone who would have been comfortable if we all started calling it the "Mike John" style.
Mike John No, not at all. I don't want it to sound like I have bad feelings towards Anabolic or any of those people because I don't. It was just kind of a feeling. When we all left Anabolic, there is a reason they continued doing the things we were doing when we were there. It would have been nice to be acknowledged and appreciated by the people you did that for. The fans have always been great. I work for them. As long as they are happy with my movies, that is all the reward I need. That is why I'm doing this. I have never really participated or worried about the hoopla. I think it's a little silly in a way. Everyone appreciates recognition. I especially appreciate the recognition you gave me this year. Coming from you it means a lot. I have seen you come up as well. I remember when you were trying to do legitimate reviews and nobody would have it. We came up at the same time in a lot of ways.
Roger T. Pipe You were in the booth when Chris would toss my stuff in the trash while I was standing there.
Mike John Yes I was. I noticed right away that you were different.
Roger T. Pipe How so?
Mike John Let's just say that the more mainstream, well now you are very mainstream, but at that time, the mainstream avenues were bought and paid for. I know they still are. It was nice for me to see someone like you who cared as much as his job as I did about mine. I thought that was great. Plus you never pull punches. Getting a nod from you is a real thing so it means a lot to me. I think I got off track. Where was I? The main thing was that I didn't think that it was a bad thing that people in the industry came to know it as the Anabolic style. It was more an internal thing.
Roger T. Pipe For those who didn't catch it, Mike did win the Rog Reviews Critic's Choice Award for Best Director and POV Pervert 4 won for Best All Sex movie. That was your second best All Sex.
Mike John Yes, I won for Up Your Ass 19 and for the Lewd Contact with Melody.
Roger T. Pipe 16 I believe.
Mike John Yes.
Roger T. Pipe That is three wins in four years of the award.
Mike John I'm getting a pretty good slice of that action.
Roger T. Pipe That gives you four total and puts you right up there with Jules for most overall.
Mike John This year I did pretty well. I got yours, I got the Golden Gape from Search Extreme.
Roger T. Pipe They have a great site.
Mike John They are great guys and I always talk to them at shows. Adam Film World gave me Best Director and Best Gonzo for Teenage Spermaholics.
Roger T. Pipe I think for my site, you are up there with Jules for most awards.
Mike John I'll tell you what, when it comes to overall trophies, he has a cabinet at his house as big as a two-door refrigerator.
Roger T. Pipe Now that you're with Jules Jordan Video are we going to see shots of your own trophy case in your movies?
Mike John No. Mine will look so small compared to Jules' that it will look silly. I have a shelf.
Roger T. Pipe I could give you the unclaimed Rog Awards. Or I could tell you what I always tell Robby D. For the right girl, I'll scratch Jules' name off the trophies and put in yours.
Mike John You could go over it like an old tattoo.
Roger T. Pipe So you had a strong year and we're going to expect even more this year.
Mike John I feel really strong about Racial Tension. I think it is one of my better movies.
Roger T. Pipe You're doing one a month and rotating lines, so we will still see a POV Pervert every few months?
Mike John Yes. He has left the door open for me to do more than one a month, but I don't know if I can do that. It's one thing to just shoot a movie. I like to wait until I can find the right girls and if you have a month, you can do that. I shoot one scene a day. If I'm shooting two a movie, we're talking about twelve shoot days. I also sit in on every cut and it takes five days to edit. Two a month just takes up too much time.
Roger T. Pipe How many times would you shoot a girl before you think you have done all you can with her?
Mike John It depends on the individual. I would say once for every line. There have been a few exceptions. I believe I shot Lauren Phoenix twice for "No Cum Dodging." Melissa Lauren did "Teenage Spermaholics" twice.
Roger T. Pipe You don't usually bring girls back for more than one POV scene.
Mike John No. I'm kind hearted and don't want to put the girls through that.
Roger T. Pipe You shot some of the "Oral Consumption" stuff.
Mike John Yeah. I did. I don't think I did a very good job with that. That was more of a Kahn Tusion thing. It was more about picking on the girls and I just don't like to do that.
Roger T. Pipe In the POV movies you are living every guy's fantasy so if you were going to shoot a line called "Mike John's Favorite POV Girls" who would be in it?
Mike John A comp of the best scenes? Katin would have to be the all time best scene. We really hit it off and it became a scene that never ended. She erased a lot of the girls from my mind. Going way back, Sierra was great, Missy Monroe and Carmen Hayes.
Roger T. Pipe You always worked well with Sierra and she did her best stuff for you.
Mike John We really hit it off.
Roger T. Pipe Let's keep talking about boobs. I just saw "Boobaholic's Anonymous" with Gianna who is amazing.
Mike John She is an Amazonian for sure.
Roger T. Pipe You got a good scene out of Brandy Taylore.
Mike John Everhard did a great job with her.
Roger T. Pipe Great movie, especially if guys like big tits. You got some great scenes from some women who don't always give great scenes.
Mike John The girls were into it. Lately eye contact with the guys has been very important to me. For a long time I told girls to look into the camera but now I am off of that. Now I tell them to look at the guy. A lot of them don't want to do that.
Roger T. Pipe Why is that?
Mike John There is an old hooker trick where you don't look at the guy because if you don't look at who you're fucking, then it won't register. I hate that. This isn't hooking, this is porno. We are building fantasies and eye contact is so important. If you are looking at the camera in POV then it's great. In other movies it couldn't be more unnatural. The chick is blowing this guy and looking somewhere else. There needs to be a balance. The same thing is true of story. I try to put it in when it's appropriate. Obviously in POV it's not the time to throw a story in there.
Roger T. Pipe It adds a certain depth to the people on the screen. They become more than just a collection of body parts on screen.
Mike John As long as it doesn't get in the way of the sex. I don't think it blends well in most cases. Is a guy supposed to pop and then care about the rest of the story?
Roger T. Pipe What do you think about a line like "No Swallowing Allowed"?
Mike John I think it's incredibly stupid. Not doing a line based on facials, that's fine. But making up a title just to take a stab at someone. I don't think you want to advertise what is not in a movie. "No Cum Dodging Allowed" was an exception because while some guys like facials and others like swallowing, no one likes cum dodging. No swallowing is not a good way to let someone that you're making a facial movie.
Roger T. Pipe Anything else we should cover?
Mike John I think we did it Rog.
Roger T. Pipe Thank you for your time. We are all glad to hear that you haven't quit and that you have teamed up with Jules for what is sure to be a successful company. Might we see you guys nominated as Best New Company next year?
Mike John That remains to be seen, but we will do our best.
Roger T. Pipe All right, just between you and me, who is going to sell more movies?
Mike John Oh me of course. You're going to cut that out right?
Roger T. Pipe Sure Mike, of course I will.
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